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in the 1930s

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known as the fireside chats his aim was

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to reassure the common man that our

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society would recover from its troubled

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for a new era of worldly frustration we

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offer a fresh conversation

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i'm greg carlwood and these are the

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side chatters today we're celebrating a

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milestone of sorts with our first

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legitimate tv star on the podcast

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no it's not cake boss buddy or bill nye

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the science guy but a regular on my

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favorite tv show and i'm talking about

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ancient aliens

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better yet i'm talking about philip

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copens goddammit author of nine books

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with titles like 2012

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science fiction killing kennedy and of

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course the reason for the season

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the ancient alien question his resume is

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more diverse than the cast of glee and i

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couldn't be more excited about the next

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hour of my life

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philip copens how you doing i'm doing

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great how are you

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i'm great i'm super psyched to have you

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here wow man i mean thanks

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again for doing it um you know let's

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start with the easy stuff

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it looks like season five of ancient

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aliens is uh is a go man congrats on

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thank you so are people stopping you at

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theories of the checkout line

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um it doesn't it hasn't gotten down to

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uh and los angeles and it has to be said

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the funniest sequence of events actually

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clearly ancient aliens is popular um

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at one point we had had breakfast in in

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um and one of those guys with earpieces

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um here obviously uh came up to us and

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said like um sir this

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is something of a strange question but

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are you the guy who's on tv so it turned

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the taxi driver kind of like said like

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so um like within you know ten minutes

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which um kind of like identifies people

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that i'm the guy from ancient aliens

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but um yeah it does come with a bit of

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that figure is really probably gonna go

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something which moves away from the

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something and expert b says something

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be a long detailed account of all the

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stone monuments and ancient sites from

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covers so many sides of the coin

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coral castle it really is a great read

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it's 12 minutes per subject um and four

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do you know about this what do you think

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the level of proof required ever higher

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point of view and that's your theory

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mystery of the dogon tribe's

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advanced star knowledge seems to have

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sensationalized what they really told

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them

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and so i've promptly removed these two

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arguments from my rolodex

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but let me have you tell the people why

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they should probably stop using these

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two

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popular talking points in their

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arguments as well

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well i mean you know the dogan thing is

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is something which was

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of interest for a while um you know this

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tribe definitely is very interesting and

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their star lore is extremely interesting

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um but basically the basic thing is this

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this mysterious star

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which robert temple then identifies as

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sirius b

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um you know is is a is a star which is

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invisible to the naked eye

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and the dough will make it very clear

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that the star

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is visible to the naked eye but

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very difficult visible and the very

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difficult visibility

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is because it is close to the horizon

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and therefore it's it's very

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hard to to to see because you know

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you've got the glare of the earth and

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and

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various other things so um

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that is the reason why why this star is

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mysterious oh sorry

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hard to see and and temple um

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who otherwise respect but in this case

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completely disagree with

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um basically um makes it into a star

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which is invisible to the naked eye and

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says

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invisible so how did they see it

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they must have had some form of high

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technology it's kind of like

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it's they say that it is visible so if

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you're identifying a star which is

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invisible

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it's probably not that star um and there

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are other

333
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you know aspects to this but that's kind

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of like in a in a 30-second

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kind of like uh synopsis of kind like

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the argument against the dogon thing

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um the the thing about sitchin is is

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that sitchin has been something of a

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sleeping monster

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the fact that sitchin was

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who probably

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um sort of invented an awful lot of his

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things was well known

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within the ancient astronaut field

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whenever people were commenting or

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asking questions kind of like you know

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what do you think of zechariah sitchin

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um there was quite often kind of like

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silence or somebody trying to sidestep

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the issue

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and at the same time you have people who

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are absolutely convinced of of what he's

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saying

354
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um the the problem is this there

355
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it's twofold one it starts with a very

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simple thing

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um he believes sitchin believes that he

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was able to correctly translate certain

359
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words which in his opinion

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every other sumerian expert had

361
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completely mistranslated

362
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the most famous words was moo which he

363
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you know basically said was spaceship

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starship something which would go from

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here into outer space

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when the experts asked him where do you

367
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get this from

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where on what do you on what do you base

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this

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he for a period of about 30 years

371
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remained completely silent and ever

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deemed himself to reply

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to any of these people that is not a

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problem the problem is that after a

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while they began to get

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a bit upset with this man who basically

377
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you know refused

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who it's kind of like the guy who's

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constantly calling you

380
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um stupid and wrong and when you say

381
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like

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but please tell us why we are right and

383
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he kind of keeps saying because you're

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stupid and you're wrong

385
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and it's kind of and after a while you

386
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kind of begin like okay but why

387
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yeah and you can't just stonewall

388
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jackson everybody no and so it came to

389
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and it came to the point that basically

390
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they said okay enough is enough

391
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um and they asked him another question

392
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they basically said okay so you're

393
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telling us that

394
00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:20,320
we've mistranslated ancient sumerian but

395
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mr sitchin um we

396
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know and we use uh sumerian lexicon

397
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which is still a stand it sits on a wall

398
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and on that wall we read

399
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in ancient sumerian mu and they defined

400
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this

401
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as blah blah blah you know i mean not

402
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going to do the entire explanation

403
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but basically sky or heaven

404
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um so you're actually saying mr sitchin

405
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that the ancient sumerians said

406
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that the word mu men's spaceship but

407
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then they write on a wall

408
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that it means heaven or sky

409
00:14:00,389 --> 00:13:59,519
how could you explain that difference of

410
00:14:02,230 --> 00:14:00,399
about uh

411
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why the ancient sumerians would define a

412
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word twice

413
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completely differently to which sitchin

414
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for the next 20 years didn't say

415
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anything about i mean there are several

416
00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:12,160
examples of this but like

417
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really what hit me extremely the wrong

418
00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:16,079
way

419
00:14:20,629 --> 00:14:19,600
um is that i was looking for the best

420
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:20,639
evidence

421
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of um an ancient alien presence and or

422
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,040
intervention

423
00:14:28,389 --> 00:14:27,199
in in our human history and one of the

424
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things which

425
00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:30,320
people have pushed forward and sitchin

426
00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:31,680
used in some of his books

427
00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:34,079
was the fact that the senate desert of

428
00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:35,120
you know in between

429
00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,880
uh israel and egypt there are tiny glass

430
00:14:43,829 --> 00:14:40,720
beats where you can really see

431
00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:43,839
that sand has been exposed to a

432
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,399
very high temperature whereby the sand

433
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:48,399
turned into glass

434
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:53,360
and he in i think 1989

435
00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,800
19 1991 wrote a book which basically

436
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:58,560
updated some of his things and he said

437
00:15:01,030 --> 00:15:00,000
like oh by the way there is this

438
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:01,040
professor

439
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:04,000
there is a scientific report now which

440
00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:05,440
basically says that they have looked

441
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:07,440
into these beats and the scientific

442
00:15:13,269 --> 00:15:10,959
paper says that there is no known

443
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:13,279
means of how these glass beads could

444
00:15:17,670 --> 00:15:14,079
have been

445
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:17,680
created so as a result of that i would

446
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:18,240
say

447
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that if everything else has been taken

448
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,480
out of the equation the only thing which

449
00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:24,000
still remains is the fact that this is

450
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:25,519
indeed evidence of an ancient

451
00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:29,199
atomic warfare at which moment in time

452
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:31,360
i kind of thought okay now he wrote this

453
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:33,120
before google

454
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:35,600
and um he doesn't he he hardly ever

455
00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:36,880
footnoted or sourced

456
00:15:40,389 --> 00:15:39,199
something um now i'm not one of those

457
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:40,399
people who believes that you have to

458
00:15:43,269 --> 00:15:41,440
source everything

459
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:43,279
but kind of like sometimes a big claim

460
00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,800
like this you really want to

461
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:46,959
you kind of you want to stir your your

462
00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:48,000
readers to

463
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:51,519
to this evidence um so

464
00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:53,199
you know in the time of google really

465
00:15:55,590 --> 00:15:54,720
all you have to do is put in certain

466
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:55,600
keywords like

467
00:16:01,110 --> 00:15:58,639
cine desert egypt glassbeats

468
00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:01,120
um and kind of like you know google

469
00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:02,320
starts building out

470
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,160
things and in the top 10 was

471
00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:08,399
a paper which actually was freely

472
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:09,680
available on the internet

473
00:16:12,949 --> 00:16:12,160
i downloaded it started reading this the

474
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:12,959
the

475
00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:18,240
realized that this was what sitchin was

476
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:19,759
talking about went back to the sitchin

477
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,399
book

478
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:22,320
saw that he had actually listed this

479
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,120
article in his bibliography

480
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,440
um so clearly it was the one he was

481
00:16:30,310 --> 00:16:29,199
referring to and i read the synopsis and

482
00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:30,320
i find

483
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:33,279
that sitchin you know has this

484
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:34,480
completely wrong

485
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,240
the scientific paper says the

486
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:40,959
glass beads in the sinead desert come

487
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:42,079
from a volcanic

488
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,680
eruption the only doubt which remained

489
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:47,920
within the group of people

490
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,920
who had done this analysis they had even

491
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:51,440
identified which volcano it was it's

492
00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,399
santorini

493
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:54,000
the only thing they hadn't been able to

494
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:55,920
identify so far

495
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,880
was which eruption because within that

496
00:17:01,829 --> 00:17:00,079
there were three

497
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,839
quick well not quick behind each other

498
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:03,440
but relatively quick behind each other

499
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,120
eruptions of this volcano

500
00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:07,360
and they couldn't tell at that moment in

501
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:08,400
time

502
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,640
from which specific eruption of those

503
00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:12,720
three it had originated

504
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:16,000
which sitchin had made into they don't

505
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:16,480
know

506
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:19,039
what the origins of these glass beads

507
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,959
are no the scientific paper in its

508
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:22,640
synopsis clearly states

509
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:25,760
a volcanic eruption namely terra

510
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:28,640
also known as santorini in in the um

511
00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:30,080
mediterranean sea

512
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:31,440
now you know there are only two

513
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:33,440
possibilities here either sichuan can't

514
00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:34,400
read

515
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:37,919
and he's stupid or he um

516
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:41,120
basically you know read it and

517
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:44,480
faked his conclusion because he wanted

518
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,440
to suit it

519
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:47,120
um you know i will give everybody the

520
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:49,280
benefit of that i can't prove the second

521
00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:52,160
um aspect but other people are

522
00:17:55,270 --> 00:17:53,280
definitely

523
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:55,280
um you know as a result of the ancient

524
00:17:57,430 --> 00:17:56,559
alien question i actually was asked to

525
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,440
write a forward for

526
00:18:01,510 --> 00:18:00,080
another book um and that person

527
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:01,520
basically had a

528
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,520
had another exposition of of kind of

529
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:04,960
like what sitchin

530
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,919
had been um misconstruing to kind of

531
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,640
like you know

532
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,400
get to a certain point which he wanted

533
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:13,200
to make the drogon example and sitchin

534
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,559
are definitely not

535
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:17,039
the the best evidences the best

536
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:18,400
evidences are really

537
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,520
little stories which hardly anybody has

538
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:23,360
has spoken of well i was going to say

539
00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:24,880
one of my favorites is the

540
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:27,360
the dropa and the stone discs i think

541
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:29,039
that's a fascinating story there's so

542
00:18:31,510 --> 00:18:30,880
many weird little things about the discs

543
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:31,520
um

544
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,919
tell us about that one well absolutely

545
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:36,240
you know it's it's an amazing story it's

546
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:36,640
um

547
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,760
eight decades ago there was an

548
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:45,039
expedition

549
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:49,039
into the chinese heartland um small

550
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:52,160
beings were discovered in a cave next to

551
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:52,799
them

552
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,679
were stories uh sorry were discs which

553
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:57,919
had inscriptions now finding these

554
00:19:01,190 --> 00:19:00,559
discs which are so-called bi-discs next

555
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,200
to

556
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,880
people who are buried inside a cave is

557
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:04,960
nothing spectacular

558
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:07,440
um what was spectacular about it was

559
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,400
that these

560
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:10,400
creatures which were lying there were

561
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,919
sort of human and burned

562
00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:13,440
in the sense that they were human but

563
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,440
they didn't look like you or i

564
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:18,480
they were small their forehead was

565
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:20,880
extremely thick

566
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,200
their joints were kind of like weird and

567
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,039
it was also clear that this is that this

568
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:26,880
wasn't one but that this was a group of

569
00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:27,919
people

570
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:30,559
so nothing was hurt for a little while

571
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,520
and then in 1962

572
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:36,480
um there basically was a story which

573
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:38,080
said that a chinese professor had been

574
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:39,520
able to

575
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,559
identify uh the writing and had been

576
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,320
able to translate it and the translation

577
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,000
basically said that the people

578
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:49,039
who were buried were descendants from

579
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,000
a group of beings who had crash-landed

580
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,840
in that general vicinity

581
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,000
several thousand years before and that

582
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,880
this explained why they looked so weird

583
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,880
and then the story was reported in a

584
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:03,120
number of um

585
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:06,480
newspapers including in germany in 1962

586
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:10,080
and then in 1970s a guy decides to use

587
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:10,880
this

588
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:13,520
um as material for a book which is going

589
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:14,559
to be fiction

590
00:20:19,830 --> 00:20:17,760
but which he decides in his ingenuity um

591
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,840
he will label non-fiction so that people

592
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,880
will kind of like

593
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,000
buy this kind of fiction um so

594
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,960
he does it um he the book you know kind

595
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:28,640
of like sells relatively okay

596
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:31,280
by by no means was the best seller and

597
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:31,840
he

598
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:37,039
device which i used to kind of like you

599
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:37,600
know

600
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,960
um lure you into my world of fiction by

601
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,559
saying it was non-fiction

602
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:44,159
whereby the entire community both

603
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:45,919
skeptics and and various other people

604
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,480
said like

605
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:48,400
oh so there's no truth to this because

606
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:50,480
you know everything about this thing the

607
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,559
book was called sun gods in exile

608
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,559
um you know it's all invented he all

609
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,960
invented in 1978.

610
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,880
no he didn't he said that he read

611
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:02,159
newspaper reports from the 1960s um

612
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,679
and then there was an entire debate that

613
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,120
somehow the hoax would have started in

614
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,559
1966

615
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,400
researchers keep digging they have now

616
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:10,480
found that in 1962

617
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,600
as happened this person you know the

618
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,000
international media did report on that

619
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,520
uh german research called hartwick

620
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,360
hausdorff has found german newspapers

621
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:20,799
from 1962

622
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:24,480
clearly showing uh that this story was

623
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:25,440
in there

624
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,520
um the for a long period of time

625
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:32,159
there it's kind of people are so kind of

626
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:33,280
you know sometimes

627
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:37,360
weird um like they see a name of a guy

628
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,480
and um they kind of go

629
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,080
oh well this isn't you know this this

630
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,640
this can't be a real chinese professor

631
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,880
because he doesn't have a chinese name

632
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,559
dumb argument have you ever heard of

633
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:50,480
people from a different country

634
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,840
or exactly in uh you know a country and

635
00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,600
as it turns out you know this guy was

636
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,720
uh japanese rather than chinese um

637
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:01,679
so all of these things kind of like you

638
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:03,360
know but basically at the core

639
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:07,280
is that in the 1970s uh the same discs

640
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,679
were

641
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,600
photographed in a museum by an i think

642
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:11,520
an austrian

643
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:15,679
tourist and then in 1995

644
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:18,960
sorry 94 hartley hazdorf was one of the

645
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:19,679
few europe

646
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:22,480
first year operators who kind of began

647
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,240
to explore china

648
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,000
from a perspective from a tour point of

649
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,280
view and he

650
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,760
loved all of these things he was into it

651
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,320
and so

652
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,480
he made sure that when he was in china

653
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:33,919
and when he was speaking to these

654
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,880
museums

655
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,120
about kind of getting westerners in

656
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:39,360
there uh you know as soon as that was

657
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,080
done his last

658
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:42,240
question of the session would be by the

659
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:43,360
way

660
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,880
in the 1970s i saw this thing in in a in

661
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:47,840
a book

662
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,000
um about these discs um in your museum

663
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,480
do you still have them and so this is

664
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:56,320
how he began to find out that the fate

665
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,600
of these discs

666
00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:00,000
um they they had disappeared but that

667
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:01,520
pretty much most of the story was

668
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:02,159
interesting

669
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,080
something which has happened um

670
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:07,919
a few years ago which is that the

671
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,480
chinese authorities tried to map

672
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,320
all the people of china and god knows

673
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:13,600
there are an awful lot of them

674
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,039
tons and what was happening was

675
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400
that in a region there was a group of

676
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,320
people who looked very weird

677
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:24,720
and they obviously became part of the

678
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,080
census

679
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,120
and the region

680
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,400
is pretty much whereas these discs were

681
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,320
found in caves in the mountains if you

682
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:35,440
were to go from

683
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,240
that area down to the valley or the

684
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,159
flatlands that is like the area where

685
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,080
these weird people were found and these

686
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,919
weird people looked exactly like

687
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:46,080
the people who had been found on the

688
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,279
highlands so

689
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,760
they realized that the last few decades

690
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,840
from the 1940s when some photographs of

691
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:53,279
these were taken the photographs are in

692
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,240
my book

693
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,760
um until recent times the people

694
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,279
or at least some of the people have left

695
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,559
the highlands and are now living in the

696
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,440
lowlands

697
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,880
um they brought their features were

698
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:06,400
brought to the attention of chinese

699
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,200
experts

700
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:08,799
we tried to explain it away they

701
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,240
basically said that these people had

702
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,679
been exposed to lead

703
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,840
and that the genetic mutations were due

704
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,799
to lead poisoning

705
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:17,600
to which other people in china um

706
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,080
basically

707
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,840
said but let poisoning kills that

708
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,360
poisoning doesn't

709
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,880
uh doesn't create genetic mutations so

710
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,039
you know that's where it sits it's up to

711
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,960
the chinese authorities to do something

712
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,760
there

713
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,919
um but it sits in a very interesting

714
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,679
place in the sense that

715
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,520
we know that there are people who look

716
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,039
extremely weird

717
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,240
uh living in china and they have

718
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,799
a history of their own which basically

719
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:44,720
says that they came from the stars

720
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,159
now they might be wrong but at least

721
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,080
we're in a position to say

722
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,840
um you know these people believe that

723
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,159
and oh my they look weird

724
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,200
david weird has anyone tried

725
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,880
to get a dna test on one like

726
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:02,480
this could be the evidence this could be

727
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,440
the smoking gun sitting right over there

728
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,440
absolutely now you know the position

729
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,880
obviously is and this is what i say in

730
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,000
the book as well

731
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:12,080
we're at the moment we're at a point in

732
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:13,520
time where

733
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,159
to prove certain things we need the

734
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:17,600
active cooperation

735
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,350
if i or any other any anybody else who

736
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,120
would try to prove or disprove this

737
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,320
theory were to go into china

738
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,559
and they would say why do you want to go

739
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,159
and meet these people

740
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,000
why do you want to you know have their

741
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:38,159
blood you either tell the truth or you

742
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,039
lie

743
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,720
if you tell the truth and you say well

744
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:42,400
it's because i want to find out whether

745
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,120
they are of

746
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,760
mexican origins right now any government

747
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:46,880
including the chinese

748
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,159
will say um yeah maybe but not so

749
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,120
no authorization to do that if you lie

750
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,200
and you say oh i like these people

751
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,960
you know i think they're well we

752
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,320
wouldn't probably say oppressed because

753
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,840
if that were the case then we probably

754
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,720
wouldn't get an either

755
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,840
but kind of you know some kind of

756
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,760
humanitarian thing we want to have some

757
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,520
dna thing because we want to

758
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:07,440
um and their suffering we want to find

759
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:08,799
out why they were so

760
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,840
uh mutated

761
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,679
at that moment in time if you do that

762
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,440
and you do the analysis and it comes up

763
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,880
with the fact that they might be of

764
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,840
mixed

765
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,559
human extraterrestrial origin all the

766
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,480
scientists will say

767
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:25,440
but you went into full pretenses so you

768
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:25,919
light

769
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,360
so how do we know you're not lying about

770
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:29,279
the results so

771
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:33,120
this is why it's it's lose lose

772
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,039
until they are willing to to engage

773
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,240
or are forced to engage um

774
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,480
you know we are in a lose-lose situation

775
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,400
and obviously you know

776
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,799
they love saying this well there is no

777
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,679
evidence for

778
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,360
anything to do with extraterrestrial

779
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,840
beings right now or in the past it's

780
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:53,440
like no and there's a reason why there

781
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,000
is not

782
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,320
because you're not helping right like

783
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,480
you know if you refuse to do any

784
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,720
research if you refuse to help those who

785
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,159
are doing research there's never going

786
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,200
to be any evidence

787
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:04,640
and they know it but it's a game they

788
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,440
play well i mean that behavior

789
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,360
on the part of governments kind of leads

790
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,799
me to a question i mean you've clearly

791
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,559
researched the idea of the

792
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,799
grand conspiracy according to david ike

793
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,240
or william brinley

794
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,159
but how much of it do you entertain as a

795
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,760
real possibility and what just seems

796
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:20,000
like

797
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:21,279
too far of a stretch because the way

798
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,360
governments act i mean they're kind of

799
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,440
validating ike

800
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,760
well i mean you know governments um you

801
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:28,880
know hide things

802
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:32,159
on on a daily basis um and most

803
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:33,039
politicians

804
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,159
i grew up in belgium and um i

805
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,279
i guess for sins of of whoever my

806
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,440
ancestors i was raised in a

807
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:43,919
in a family of of politicians and they

808
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,799
were all

809
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,480
quite often from different parties which

810
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,640
meant that you know whoever was in power

811
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:51,120
um like some member was was close to it

812
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,760
anyway

813
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,240
at one point a party had not been in

814
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,320
power for about 20 years

815
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,320
and this meant that an entire new

816
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,159
generation of politicians

817
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,880
who came into power they had never been

818
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,159
like they were minister of this

819
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,200
and secretary of dead and they had never

820
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,120
been around or or had these positions

821
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,559
themselves and all of a sudden

822
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,279
they were leading this country uh not

823
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:14,559
this country but belgium

824
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:18,399
and um they they basically

825
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:22,559
after a few months said like every day

826
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,919
we have to cover up things for

827
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,320
reasons which don't make sense to us

828
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:29,600
most of it is

829
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:32,799
you know not important but it

830
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:36,000
involves weird weird things in like you

831
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,720
know like

832
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,960
um why are we covering up the fact that

833
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,480
and i'm making one up here

834
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,520
um that the immigration figures or that

835
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,480
this guy

836
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,960
went through there and it's like oh well

837
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,640
you know you have to realize that it is

838
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,679
because of this thing

839
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,559
and he kind of said i hate it i hate

840
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,000
doing this

841
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,799
it's not why i was elected but it is

842
00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:58,640
within governments governments cover up

843
00:29:00,789 --> 00:29:00,159
and most of the time they cover up

844
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,799
because

845
00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:02,240
whenever something goes wrong and

846
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:04,399
somebody from the public says um why did

847
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,520
this go wrong

848
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:07,840
it's traced back to a person in

849
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,640
government

850
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:10,799
and they don't want that to do so this

851
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,240
is primarily why cover-ups happen

852
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,960
now you know there are other examples

853
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:17,520
and

854
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,679
a recent one is this um in 1992

855
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,480
lawrence rockefeller decided to brief

856
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,600
the new president

857
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,120
who in the end turned out to be clinton

858
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:29,039
but when he decided to brief the new

859
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:30,399
president he had no idea who it was

860
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:31,200
going to be

861
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,200
not officially and he he asked um

862
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,440
a person cb scott jones to get a

863
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,440
material which would be a good briefing

864
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,200
document for the president

865
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,240
and so clinton walks into office uh

866
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:47,440
and a few days weeks later gets

867
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,399
presented

868
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,120
on a kind of you know private party

869
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,880
which rockefeller organizes but

870
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,159
with his briefing document which

871
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:55,919
basically says

872
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,919
dear mr clinton you are not in power

873
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,320
there are forces behind you who have

874
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,360
hidden the truth

875
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,039
of this this this and this and this and

876
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,440
this and this away from you

877
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,080
which basically disempowered him uh when

878
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,600
it came to these things

879
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,080
um you know carter had a different

880
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,840
attitude carter basically said like i'm

881
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,760
gonna find out the truth about ufos

882
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,360
and he tried you know there were a

883
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,480
string in the 1970s a string

884
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,600
of um senate hearings congressional uh

885
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:27,520
committees and all of that stuff

886
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,039
to find out about the death of kennedy

887
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,039
um and ultra minor experiments all of

888
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:35,600
these things were happening in the 1970s

889
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,279
and you know some of them made progress

890
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,600
some of them didn't go anywhere or most

891
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,520
of them didn't go anywhere near as far

892
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,799
as where they should have gone but they

893
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:46,480
went somewhere and evidence wasn't

894
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,200
covered

895
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:50,080
that something was happening it was just

896
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,720
that these

897
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,399
congressional committees and hearing

898
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:54,480
things were not willing to send people

899
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,440
to jail

900
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:57,600
or or things like that they were just

901
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,480
kind of like going

902
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,640
we'll expose all of these things and as

903
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:01,919
a result of that

904
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,519
um you know it'll never happen again um

905
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,039
and and that was kind of like their

906
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,559
attitude and you know

907
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,880
it's it's probably fall short of what

908
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,080
they were supposed to be doing but at

909
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:13,440
least they did something

910
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,440
um but um clinton and various people

911
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,960
kind of like you know even in the early

912
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,640
days of the obama administration there

913
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,399
were some clintonites in there

914
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:24,880
and people who were absolutely convinced

915
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,360
that the x-files were real

916
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,519
but they also believed that they were

917
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:31,279
not pulling the strings that there were

918
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:32,159
forces behind

919
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,919
them who were doing these things for

920
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,679
them and there is no evidence for this

921
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:38,000
but it disempowered these people

922
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:41,200
um and you know that is a sad thing when

923
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:45,440
um a president thinks or is briefed

924
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,399
by people who mean well but actually end

925
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,320
up doing an awful lot of damage

926
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,880
right um you know the briefing of a new

927
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,360
president who's green behind his ears

928
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,679
should not be mr president there's a

929
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:59,279
secret out there and he will never find

930
00:32:01,509 --> 00:32:00,000
a secret

931
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,519
because that president then will go like

932
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,080
okay i'm glad i know

933
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,080
and and that is the problem and that is

934
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,840
um you know something

935
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,840
which i hate about the the conspiracy

936
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:10,960
field in general

937
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,960
it disempowers you it basically says um

938
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,640
you can't do anything about this

939
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,720
tomorrow you can go

940
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,840
and you know go into washington and you

941
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,360
can try and change it

942
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,519
but it won't matter because there are

943
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:26,799
forces out there

944
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,840
they are out there and um it's so

945
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,679
disempowering and it's so

946
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,799
not true egypt has proven

947
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,720
that you know you can bring about very

948
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:37,840
quick change

949
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,240
um through you know a few people who

950
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,480
going to sit peacefully

951
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:44,559
in a square the belgian revolution in

952
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:45,760
1830

953
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,799
happened when about 500 people went to a

954
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:49,760
play

955
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:52,799
and said enough of this dutch dominance

956
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,559
we want to be free the 250 people

957
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,960
out of that party ran out in the streets

958
00:33:03,350 --> 00:32:59,840
of brussels

959
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:03,360
and said you know the two words go away

960
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:06,880
and um by morning pretty much

961
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,159
belgium was independent the

962
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,120
um you know during the um during the

963
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,120
iraq invasion

964
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,039
two million people walked the streets of

965
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:19,679
london in protest

966
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,679
if any of those two million people had

967
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:23,120
decided

968
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,799
actually we can occupy this

969
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:29,600
london situation and tony blair will be

970
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,960
no more

971
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:33,200
it would have been a revolution but you

972
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,000
see

973
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:36,880
right now the people are still afraid of

974
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,279
uh

975
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,559
the people in power and the conspiracy

976
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,000
theorists

977
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:45,200
maintain that balance however much david

978
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,919
ike says

979
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,480
you need to break free you need to start

980
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:50,320
doing this thing

981
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,000
it's like no you're not telling them

982
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:54,320
that you know you're making them afraid

983
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,600
and you're making sure that they will

984
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,120
stay in that corner

985
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,679
yeah i mean those are fair points phil

986
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:01,039
but you could also just say we've won a

987
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:01,840
few battles

988
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,000
um though i do agree that the conspiracy

989
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,080
angle has a tendency to

990
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,919
maybe quell rebellious actions because

991
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,359
it seems pointless to go up

992
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,359
against such a dominant enemy there's

993
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,720
also the problem with the savior

994
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,159
psychology you know

995
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,200
uh the idea that the good guys got my

996
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,280
back i mean i'm being screwed but i just

997
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,399
have to wait it out because they're

998
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:21,359
working for me

999
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,919
on that uh covert power struggle against

1000
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,679
the elite behind the scenes and

1001
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,159
man i hope they win and to bring this

1002
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:30,079
[\h__\h] back around the same psychology

1003
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,399
can

1004
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,720
[\h__\h] the drive to study the mysteries

1005
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,480
of our origins and the ancient alien

1006
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,599
question by saying

1007
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,879
well i hate the global elite and they're

1008
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,320
[\h__\h] up my life but they got the

1009
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,760
wheel and at least they know the real

1010
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,960
story

1011
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,320
i mean even if it's classified and

1012
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,760
hidden from the public at least they

1013
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,679
know our history and i'll take comfort

1014
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,320
in that it's just a mystery to me

1015
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:51,040
and a scary realization honestly might

1016
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,320
be that nobody knows

1017
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,679
and that it's all been lost exactly you

1018
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,280
know i mean we were having this debate

1019
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,359
um earlier today and like when you have

1020
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,880
children

1021
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,359
you know you they need to know certain

1022
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,320
things one

1023
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,560
that father christmas comes on december

1024
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,760
25th

1025
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,920
that there will be cereal and milk in

1026
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,880
the morning

1027
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:13,040
and that you will pick them up at school

1028
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,240
um at whenever time your school finishes

1029
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,839
those are kind of like the things the

1030
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,160
child needs it needs to know

1031
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:23,520
certain things the reason why so many

1032
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,000
people

1033
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,720
are religious even though they don't

1034
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,440
really

1035
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,760
kind of like you know feel that religion

1036
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:30,960
is is all that

1037
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,839
nice or that religion is kind of there

1038
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,359
is that there is some kind of

1039
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,000
shape or formal framework for their

1040
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:39,599
belief system

1041
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:43,200
um you know people um

1042
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,400
i mean like you know i i

1043
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,720
am absolutely in awe and in love with

1044
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,400
what jesus christ wrote

1045
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,240
but i wouldn't call myself a christian

1046
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,160
because i don't go to church

1047
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:56,560
um i was raised as a catholic but

1048
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,440
basically

1049
00:36:00,790 --> 00:36:00,000
i pretty much um feel abhorred by

1050
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:00,800
anything

1051
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,079
they do and stand for um and

1052
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:07,119
so am i a christian in um in

1053
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:10,880
faith it's kind of like well yeah but i

1054
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,280
don't

1055
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,760
associate with anything of the religions

1056
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:14,800
and it's because

1057
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,040
um you know i am comfortable

1058
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,599
with the notion that jesus christ was an

1059
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,359
extremely interesting dude

1060
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,079
who said extremely clever things who um

1061
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,920
you know i want to take as an example on

1062
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:29,520
a daily basis and kind of go

1063
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:32,560
wow that was deep um

1064
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:35,200
but this this kind of like you know this

1065
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,480
this thing of like oh

1066
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,960
he's the son of god um and let's

1067
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,079
dogmatically hold

1068
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:42,320
to that because kind of like you know

1069
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,440
it's it's it's

1070
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,880
true isn't it it's kind of we're all

1071
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,280
children of god um

1072
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,240
and there are other aspects there and

1073
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,680
and yes you know

1074
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,800
um it's this this this classic thing

1075
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,839
it's like you know

1076
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:58,320
who should we vote for the bad guy or

1077
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,440
the worst guy

1078
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,640
um and and that is a sad situation to

1079
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,119
find ourselves in but it's unfortunately

1080
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:09,119
uh the truth and i think it europe

1081
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,800
no longer trust politicians they've

1082
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,320
never trusted them uh

1083
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,160
and and all faith in politicians went

1084
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:16,240
out in the early 1990s

1085
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,800
america kept kept faith in politicians

1086
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:23,040
um lost it with george bush for obvious

1087
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,079
reasons

1088
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:27,359
but really um i find that americans

1089
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,440
are especially hurt by um you know obama

1090
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:34,720
um who basically didn't deliver and

1091
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,480
you know my wife campaigned for obama

1092
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:38,000
and she kind of goes like

1093
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:41,359
who is this dude i did too i really did

1094
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,920
too i

1095
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,079
that was the first time that i have ever

1096
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,000
really gotten involved in politics

1097
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,800
and i already have a conspiratorial view

1098
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,160
and i can't believe

1099
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,079
i'm like i'm still kicking myself that i

1100
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,839
got played because i

1101
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,839
and there's people now that i see around

1102
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,359
town that have obama

1103
00:38:01,349 --> 00:38:00,079
20 uh 12 stickers on their card i'm like

1104
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,359
why the hell

1105
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:03,520
would you put that on your car what did

1106
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,480
he

1107
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,400
promise you four years ago that you were

1108
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,680
all into that

1109
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,599
came through came true you know we're

1110
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:11,040
still in the wars we're in more than we

1111
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,920
were then

1112
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,920
guantanamo bay is still open the economy

1113
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,960
is [\h__\h]

1114
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,960
uh you know and and now we have this

1115
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,720
false choice between

1116
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,680
obama and romney it's just it's it's

1117
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,200
pretty ridiculous

1118
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,040
well and it comes back to the fact that

1119
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,000
he was sorely disappointed he was a guy

1120
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:31,040
who was naive walked in there and you

1121
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,000
know on day one

1122
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,000
of his presidency when he was at

1123
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,760
president-elect in november

1124
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,000
you know i think it was fourth or five

1125
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,520
um he had his

1126
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:42,400
first security briefing and he came out

1127
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,280
of that meeting

1128
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,839
a changed man he said was like well

1129
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,680
there are reasons why we can't leave

1130
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:48,800
afghanistan

1131
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:52,320
it's like some guy from the civil

1132
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,280
service

1133
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:56,880
um you know secretary whoever um

1134
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,000
who had months to prepare us

1135
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,040
who has had years of expertise in

1136
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:06,720
impressing politicians and you

1137
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,920
fell for it you fell for it

1138
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,800
and you know then he kind of like i

1139
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,359
think you know

1140
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:16,000
more more recently he just lost interest

1141
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,400
uh

1142
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,960
i i see a guy who basically goes like

1143
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:19,920
seriously

1144
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,200
he can't wait to get out um

1145
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:26,880
i say the same thing and you know he

1146
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,000
he at one point he became hilarious when

1147
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:32,720
kind like you know if if somebody would

1148
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,280
like at

1149
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:35,920
i think it's about 2000 in the latter

1150
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,800
part of 2009 in the early part of 2010

1151
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:41,680
when i swear if somebody had dropped or

1152
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,720
lost

1153
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,200
a shoe in the white house he would have

1154
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,359
been the one doing a press conference

1155
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,520
saying this issue belonged to somebody

1156
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,079
for everything which was ridiculously

1157
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,960
um below him he was the guy doing the

1158
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,480
press conference it's kind of

1159
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,560
where are your secretaries where where

1160
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,320
is where is everybody else in this

1161
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,079
administration why are you here again

1162
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:04,000
talking about something which really the

1163
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,520
president shouldn't be talking about

1164
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,359
but you know i think that's kind of like

1165
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,960
problematic and that

1166
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,119
kind of like you know kind of works into

1167
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,280
the conspiracy mindset of people saying

1168
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:16,079
well you see um you know he was turned

1169
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:17,280
it's kind of like he was part of the

1170
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,240
conspiracy

1171
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,520
no i absolutely do believe that obama

1172
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,240
went in there um with all the good

1173
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:25,760
intentions that he was

1174
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:29,440
you know a nice man who had the best

1175
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:30,480
intentions

1176
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:34,000
um but from day one the civil service

1177
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,960
got to him

1178
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:37,599
um impressed him with an awful lot of

1179
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,440
stupidity which he fell for

1180
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:42,000
um and then you know he probably

1181
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,720
realized

1182
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,200
that he fell for it said oh my god what

1183
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,319
did i just do

1184
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:49,119
too but too late you know i don't i

1185
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,520
don't

1186
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,599
take quite as optimistic of you as you

1187
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,760
do on obama but you know at least

1188
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,599
you know there's a funny old bill hicks

1189
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,960
routine that kind of ties into your

1190
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,079
newest book but

1191
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,280
you know he says you know you get the

1192
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,800
president in there you sit him down you

1193
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:02,000
show him a view of the kennedy

1194
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,839
assassination he's never seen

1195
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,440
you know you then put the curtain up and

1196
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:07,040
you say you got any questions

1197
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:10,880
you know yeah i mean it it it works

1198
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,880
um urigaler has has this story about how

1199
00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:17,920
um at one point you know certain things

1200
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:18,640
were happening

1201
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,240
and um mossad showed him

1202
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,119
something um whereby i mean you know

1203
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:27,200
urikara went in the 1970s around

1204
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,319
demonstrating

1205
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,400
um psychic abilities and whoever was

1206
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,079
testing him whatever laboratory

1207
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,400
was testing him all the tests always

1208
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,079
came out positive

1209
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,079
um and now first of all he hated that

1210
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,839
because he really was treated like a lab

1211
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,400
rat

1212
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,640
kinda like okay i've just been tested by

1213
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,000
laboratory x

1214
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,720
now i'm going to laboratory act why kind

1215
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,720
of you know every laboratory was testing

1216
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,520
it and it's like

1217
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:52,319
it's not alive anyway um as a result of

1218
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,040
that his

1219
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:55,200
fame began to rise he became invited you

1220
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:56,400
know kind of could you do this could you

1221
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:57,280
do that

1222
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:01,200
um and there is

1223
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,560
a point whereby they really began to

1224
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,640
realize that this was dangerous because

1225
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,280
remember

1226
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,079
it's the early 70s vietnam is going on

1227
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,079
there is massive disgruntlement

1228
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,200
um you know politicians weren't

1229
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,680
stable in in their seats and they

1230
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,640
realized that

1231
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:21,520
that that there might be a shift um in

1232
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:22,000
into

1233
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,040
component of that and certain people

1234
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,720
were beginning to use galler

1235
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,880
because guess what jesus comes out of

1236
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,960
india and walks on water well

1237
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:35,200
you know uri came out so he came out of

1238
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,400
israel um

1239
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,960
and and uruguay kind of like was able to

1240
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,680
buy located

1241
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,040
according to certain reports and could

1242
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,119
ban spoons so it's like that same

1243
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:45,680
framework right um and people were

1244
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,640
beginning to

1245
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,680
people behind the scenes were about to

1246
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:52,400
set him up as kind of maybe he is the

1247
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:53,760
next jesus

1248
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,720
now he he hated that and he didn't know

1249
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,599
some of his

1250
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:00,000
people around him were kind of like

1251
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:01,200
going to do that because they were

1252
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,400
trying to bring about

1253
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,720
change and they felt that that was

1254
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:05,520
useful

1255
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,560
so anyway what happens is that there was

1256
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:09,839
a briefing whereby

1257
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:13,119
they basically said uri down and they

1258
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:13,839
said

1259
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,200
um you just made the top 20

1260
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:20,319
of people to be assassinated

1261
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,160
wow you're only expected to rise if this

1262
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:25,359
continues

1263
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,960
and guess what nobody cares whether

1264
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,040
you're alive or not because

1265
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:34,800
like jesus if you die

1266
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,599
they can speculate endlessly about you

1267
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:39,520
so don't think that anybody is that

1268
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:40,000
worried

1269
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:43,839
about your life um and he said well i

1270
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,359
am my wife is um

1271
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,720
and they said okay well there are things

1272
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,960
which we can do we can make you

1273
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,480
controversial

1274
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,960
we can say you don't have these powers

1275
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,200
that'll keep you alive

1276
00:44:00,550 --> 00:44:00,240
and he said yeah i'll take that one and

1277
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,560
then

1278
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,240
a certain guy with a long beard started

1279
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,480
to appear um

1280
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,640
who looked a bit like father christmas

1281
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,079
but um you know it it's

1282
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:10,240
it's that kind of thing you know things

1283
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,280
which are going on

1284
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,079
are not happening in isolation and um it

1285
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,240
it influences people in power sometimes

1286
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,520
in a good way

1287
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,560
i've forgotten who it was but um i think

1288
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,160
it was clinton as well

1289
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,520
at at one point they like the president

1290
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:26,880
publishes his reading list

1291
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:29,920
for over christmas or whatever it was um

1292
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:32,319
and and there was like a ufo book in

1293
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:32,960
there

1294
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:36,160
um and so it's interesting that people

1295
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,200
in power

1296
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,440
do realize that quite often something

1297
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:40,960
larger is going on

1298
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,160
right but they themselves you know

1299
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,200
are not necessarily the right people

1300
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:49,520
to to come up with the answers and it's

1301
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,319
it's nothing

1302
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,160
not so much to do with the fact that the

1303
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:53,599
president's is supposed to be all

1304
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:54,160
powerful

1305
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,440
um so by default the president will

1306
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,119
never be able to answer

1307
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:05,839
everything um simply because he's only

1308
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,880
the president

1309
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,880
and that has nothing to do with the

1310
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,480
conspiracy theory that there are people

1311
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,440
behind the president

1312
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,839
we've defined the job as president as

1313
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,839
somebody who has limited power

1314
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:17,839
true that is a fair point man but what

1315
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,440
about those people behind the scenes you

1316
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,200
know uh to bring it back to the book and

1317
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,800
throw out a little stone of speculation

1318
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,400
that crossed my mind a couple times

1319
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,440
while reading

1320
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,119
you have this quote in the book for one

1321
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,800
example of a priest traveling with

1322
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,319
conquistadors i think where

1323
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,880
he casually mentions destroying all the

1324
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:34,400
writings and histories of the cultures

1325
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:35,440
they'd come across

1326
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:36,880
and i started to think that that almost

1327
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,319
seems like the destruction of records

1328
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,800
was so thorough that it was one of the

1329
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,720
top priorities of the people tasked with

1330
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,280
exploring other civilizations which

1331
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,640
sounds like a weird thing for people to

1332
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,160
do and i'm going a little david ike on

1333
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:52,000
you now but a weird thing for people to

1334
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:52,480
do

1335
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,480
unless the royal bloodlines calling the

1336
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:56,480
shots already knew what was out there

1337
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,000
and they wanted to make sure

1338
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,480
that any evidence or recorded accounts

1339
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,160
of aliens in the past were erased

1340
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,760
because we might start to figure some

1341
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:06,000
things out start asking some questions

1342
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,200
i mean what do you think is that a

1343
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,200
possibility um i

1344
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:12,160
i i you know it's it's a possibility but

1345
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,040
there's

1346
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,960
often quite very mundane reasons for it

1347
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,000
like in the 3rd century 80 there was a

1348
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:20,160
chinese emperor who said burn everything

1349
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:21,200
which comes before

1350
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:24,079
me and the reason was that he his ego

1351
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,960
was such

1352
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,280
that he wanted to go down into history

1353
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,520
as the start of chinese civilization

1354
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,240
and guess what he got his way um because

1355
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,000
by burning everything the way

1356
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,920
we treat histories like obas needs to be

1357
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,200
a written source

1358
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,760
so by default as nothing from before him

1359
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,200
pretty much survived

1360
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,480
um history began with his dudes so he

1361
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,520
he succeeded in accomplishing um what he

1362
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:49,200
set out to achieve

1363
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:52,880
um you know not everything um

1364
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,079
of of contact with uh

1365
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,000
if anything i would say that most

1366
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,920
evidence of of contact with

1367
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,520
non-human intelligence is from our

1368
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,440
ancestors has survived

1369
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,920
uh the monitor king list which says that

1370
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,200
the gods once ruled

1371
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,599
over ancient egypt directly that has

1372
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:10,720
survived

1373
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,839
um the barossa's account about oweny's

1374
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,880
coming out um this half-ish half-human

1375
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,040
creature who thought by day and went

1376
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:21,839
back um you know that survived

1377
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,520
um the accounts of the uh the mayan

1378
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,520
kings and how they contacted

1379
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,280
the nine gods of the underworld on a

1380
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,559
regular basis

1381
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,480
that has survived so there's there's

1382
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,240
quite a bit of of of

1383
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:36,480
survival skills to these accounts that

1384
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,319
our ancestors had

1385
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,240
um you know contact with non-human

1386
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,839
intelligences and again

1387
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,920
this is kind of tying it back to to kind

1388
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:45,599
of like the zecharizations and

1389
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:48,640
the robot temples i find it

1390
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:52,880
interesting or and or sad that

1391
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,160
the two of them had to come up with

1392
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,800
fake stories when there are good stories

1393
00:48:03,030 --> 00:47:59,680
out there

1394
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,040
um and they are you know interesting

1395
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,960
like the the barossas account this

1396
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:07,200
show that something was happening in

1397
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,240
that area of

1398
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,280
of iraq and that

1399
00:48:16,109 --> 00:48:14,079
non-human entities did have contact with

1400
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,119
with human beings

1401
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,000
unfortunately sitchin prefer to invent

1402
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:22,880
a story rather than use a story um and

1403
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,160
explore that story

1404
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,559
and and you know the same thing with a

1405
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,160
few other examples of like

1406
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,040
um you know robert temple wanted to use

1407
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:32,400
an african saga

1408
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,720
have used that example

1409
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,559
so it's it's sad to me that people

1410
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,880
invent rather than use what is out there

1411
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,800
um you know by no means is my book

1412
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,920
exhaustive

1413
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,280
um and nor was it meant to be nor can i

1414
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,079
be

1415
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,880
but i think you will find and this is

1416
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,920
kind of like what i say

1417
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,240
in in in in the book uh as a

1418
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,079
generalization and kind of you know

1419
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,240
if ever we really go back to africa and

1420
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,680
we sit down with

1421
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:02,319
uh these these tribal elders and say

1422
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:02,720
like

1423
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,280
okay forget whoever came before

1424
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:10,079
forget whatever was written about you

1425
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,520
before

1426
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:14,480
could you please help us write your

1427
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,200
story

1428
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:16,880
and by the way you will have editorial

1429
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,240
control you

1430
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,280
will be able to verify that what i write

1431
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:24,880
is you know not kind of like created to

1432
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,480
fit into a devil worship or a primitive

1433
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,880
worship or a christian worship

1434
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,839
just talk and i think if we go to these

1435
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,280
people with that attitude

1436
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,119
then they are going to tell us a very

1437
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,800
interesting story and also i think in

1438
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,680
those accounts

1439
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,359
you know there's going to be stories

1440
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,960
about

1441
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,400
non-human intelligences when that

1442
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,800
happened with the with the hopi

1443
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:49,440
um you know they began to to relate as

1444
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:49,839
well

1445
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,960
again unfortunately um and this is so

1446
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,520
sad

1447
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:56,400
of of of mankind you know the hopi say

1448
00:50:00,030 --> 00:49:57,280
one thing

1449
00:50:01,510 --> 00:50:00,040
then one guy jumps on it and

1450
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:01,520
spectacularizes it

1451
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,119
and then he gets all the press um and

1452
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,520
twists it in a way that kind of like you

1453
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,880
know makes it appear as if

1454
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,319
the hopi have said that the world is

1455
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:12,880
gonna end soon and all of that stuff

1456
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,000
um it's sad but

1457
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,359
it's it's it's it's also something human

1458
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:20,480
you know

1459
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,160
again and it comes back to to what you

1460
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,319
were talking about earlier which is this

1461
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,680
this need to have a final answer um

1462
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,400
you know like i'm perfectly fine living

1463
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,000
in a world where the dogon may or may

1464
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:33,520
not have had contact with not even

1465
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,400
intelligences

1466
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,240
whether the chinese might have had what

1467
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,160
we have you know

1468
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,920
based on all the evidence which i've

1469
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,839
seen i think we should

1470
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,480
logically draw the conclusion yes we

1471
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:46,480
were probably contacted by non-human

1472
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,839
intelligences yes

1473
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:50,319
we were not alone definitely what we can

1474
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,880
say

1475
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,880
is that our ancestors absolutely

1476
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,040
believed that they were not alone

1477
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,640
and that they had been contacted by

1478
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,079
non-human intelligences

1479
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:00,480
so you know our ancestors might be wrong

1480
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,200
but at least

1481
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,760
they lived within this world um where

1482
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:05,359
they were absolutely convinced that they

1483
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,040
were not alone

1484
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,440
and that is you know to me interesting

1485
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,200
and and rich and beautiful

1486
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,400
um and um you know says an awful lot

1487
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,559
i think about our ancestors and and the

1488
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:19,200
world they created for themselves and

1489
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,920
which is in you know market contrast to

1490
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,800
our world

1491
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,400
where we believe we are completely

1492
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,240
unique completely alone

1493
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,839
um and and completely special um

1494
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,800
and and they believe that they were not

1495
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,640
and as a result of that they took care

1496
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,520
of the earth

1497
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,000
they lived in balance with the earth um

1498
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,000
you know and and we do not

1499
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:42,480
because we don't think that there's

1500
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:44,319
anything worthy out there

1501
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:47,440
which needs our you know our

1502
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,200
our attention um a few dolphins or a few

1503
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:52,400
whales

1504
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:55,119
uh you know don't really seem to matter

1505
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,079
that much and

1506
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,680
and that is a market difference i think

1507
00:52:03,030 --> 00:51:59,599
between us and our ancestors

1508
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:03,040
um and you know there are unfortunate

1509
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,760
things to

1510
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:06,319
to say about our world um but at the

1511
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,200
same time

1512
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,960
i find that our world is interesting

1513
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,240
because

1514
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:13,280
it is being created into this viral one

1515
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,240
global

1516
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,280
kind of you know connection thing and so

1517
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,960
when our ancestors were coming saying

1518
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:20,400
how they were able to tune into the

1519
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:21,760
world as one

1520
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,720
um i'm kind of like feeling or seeing

1521
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,400
that maybe technology

1522
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,559
um you know in a few years from now

1523
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:30,319
seems to be able to accomplish the same

1524
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:30,960
thing

1525
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,480
and i think you know if that happens um

1526
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,079
that might be a good thing that might be

1527
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,000
something whereby

1528
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,510
well you know jumping off from that idea

1529
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,359
i know you've done some work with 2012

1530
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,000
and looking into

1531
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,440
the prophecies around that do you find

1532
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:51,359
it coincidental at all

1533
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:54,800
that it seems like the global economy

1534
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,760
the very structure that we've been

1535
00:53:01,109 --> 00:53:00,079
following since as long as we can

1536
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,119
remember

1537
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,880
uh it seems to be coming apart at the

1538
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,480
seams in a lot of ways i mean you have

1539
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:06,079
the occupy movement which is kind of

1540
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,359
fizzled out but i mean that was a

1541
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:09,040
rebellion against capitalism you have

1542
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:09,760
iceland

1543
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,960
you have a lot of things going in the

1544
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,960
european union that i don't even know

1545
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,040
about but it seems like

1546
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,480
there is a culture of people finally

1547
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,319
pointing the finger at the structure

1548
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,599
they've never pointed their finger at

1549
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,800
before and that would be more

1550
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,559
revolutionary than anything

1551
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,800
and it also seems to be coinciding with

1552
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,559
the time that people predicted thousands

1553
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,440
of years ago

1554
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,760
would be a period of intense change is

1555
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:33,040
that just a coincidence or do you think

1556
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,559
those things are related

1557
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:37,040
no i think they're absolutely related um

1558
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:37,920
i wouldn't say

1559
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,359
it just you know is limited to to 2012

1560
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:42,640
and the mayans

1561
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,359
clearly say that the greatest changes

1562
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,359
happen in a period 20 years before and

1563
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:48,720
20 years after

1564
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,920
uh these kind of milestones um and that

1565
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,359
it is really a time

1566
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:56,960
when things intensify um this cycle

1567
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,440
began

1568
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,839
in in you know april of 1993 and the

1569
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,040
world then

1570
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,800
and now is completely different it's a

1571
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:04,400
completely different

1572
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,760
uh world and that is interesting

1573
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:09,680
we you know we are going through these

1574
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:11,680
rapid developments things like skype the

1575
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,319
internet

1576
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,839
being able to fly around the world

1577
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:15,760
pretty much on a month's salary

1578
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,640
um is is something or the ability to fly

1579
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,160
around the world in 48 hours

1580
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,119
is something which 20 years ago you know

1581
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,040
i mean 20 years ago cell phones

1582
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,079
you know who would think that

1583
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,800
everybody's computer and internet wi-fi

1584
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,000
would be on a cell thing

1585
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,280
20 years ago wi-fi didn't exist um and

1586
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:36,880
and all of these things really

1587
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:40,640
show how quickly we are are moving and

1588
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,559
there are two things here the world is

1589
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:44,799
coming together as a global village

1590
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,319
our phones get answered in india

1591
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:50,319
when we want to speak to our banks or

1592
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,520
wherever and our

1593
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,799
clothing and our furniture and

1594
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,119
everything else is produced in china

1595
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:57,599
um it's a global village it's a global

1596
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,640
economy

1597
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,359
europe tried to say okay we're going to

1598
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,839
do a pan-european economy as well

1599
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,200
and we're going to make this hard we're

1600
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,760
going to tie this into our euro and all

1601
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,920
of these things but what they forgot

1602
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,680
was this that there were still strong

1603
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,920
borders that there is no such thing

1604
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,720
as a european i have never heard anybody

1605
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,839
say

1606
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,960
to the question where are you from i'm

1607
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:22,880
from europe

1608
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,520
um and you know i live i was born in

1609
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,440
belgium i live in france part-time i

1610
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,599
live in the uk part-time

1611
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,000
when people say to me where are you from

1612
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:33,760
my wife and i we kind of go like that's

1613
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,799
a good question

1614
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,559
have you got five minutes because it's

1615
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,920
rather complex

1616
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:39,839
um yet i could say i'm a european who

1617
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,160
sometimes lives in in l.a

1618
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,680
um and that would answer the question

1619
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:46,160
but even i who i'm not necessarily

1620
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,359
kind of like tied into a belgian

1621
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:50,720
nationality or feeling

1622
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:53,359
uh specifically special for being

1623
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,160
belgian

1624
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,359
um kind of i even i don't do it

1625
00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:00,160
and and nobody does yet somehow we were

1626
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,280
going to think that this

1627
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:04,160
euro thing was going to work and that

1628
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,839
politicians were going to let go of

1629
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,440
their borders and we're going to let go

1630
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:08,960
of their power

1631
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,440
it didn't happen it's not happening i

1632
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,440
think it will happen eventually

1633
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,799
but i think it's going to be a much

1634
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:17,680
slower process um and i think what we're

1635
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:18,319
seeing

1636
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:21,680
is basically that the entire banking

1637
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,799
issues are are part of that um you know

1638
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,640
the entire

1639
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,559
the world has become a global village

1640
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,480
but there's nobody steering it

1641
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:33,359
and meanwhile you have a world economy

1642
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,000
who has an

1643
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:36,079
engine which is roaring saying feed me

1644
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:37,599
feed me feed me

1645
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,960
um but it's like a monster and on

1646
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,200
occasion like you know certain people

1647
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:44,720
feed it like the germans will feed and

1648
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,040
say

1649
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:48,079
here's a leaf and the the giant dungeon

1650
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,799
let's give it

1651
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,799
an intelligence of its own will kind of

1652
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,240
go like i need much more

1653
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,640
a leaf won't do the americans will put

1654
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,240
another leaf and they're gonna go okay

1655
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,359
are you kidding me

1656
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,400
two leaves i need more um and the reason

1657
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,920
why the world economy isn't working is

1658
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,920
because nobody's in charge of it

1659
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:06,079
um who's left to be in charge of it are

1660
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,119
the banks

1661
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,319
right someone's in charge well i mean

1662
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,920
but they end up being in charge because

1663
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,079
nobody else can like you know is and by

1664
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,680
default the people in charge of money

1665
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:17,280
are guess what the people in charge of

1666
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:17,839
money

1667
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,640
which are banks and until we put

1668
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:22,720
somebody else in charge of money

1669
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,599
um you know it's going to be like that

1670
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,280
but there is nobody there there is no

1671
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,200
president of the world there is no

1672
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,839
i mean there's a u.n um but you know

1673
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:33,680
let's laugh about it now and then let's

1674
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,480
move on

1675
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,200
um there is nobody there um you know the

1676
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:39,760
world bank yes guess what it's a bank

1677
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:41,760
once again you know we have created a

1678
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,599
system whereby we

1679
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,079
are not realized well we realize but

1680
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:47,760
nobody's doing anything about it

1681
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:50,880
um the there is a global economy the

1682
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,119
banking industry is global

1683
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,480
but there is no world power out there uh

1684
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:59,040
directing it and that is a problem which

1685
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,000
is why

1686
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:03,520
you know the banks will continuously say

1687
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,640
well we can't sustain this because it's

1688
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,400
not coordinated like you know

1689
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,720
uh the american banks can mess up as

1690
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,160
much as they want by

1691
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:16,000
by creating um completely bad mortgages

1692
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,400
and

1693
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:17,920
bringing everybody rest in the world

1694
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,559
down because there is no regulation

1695
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,559
they can just do these things because

1696
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,559
again there is no regulation and it's

1697
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:26,160
not the fault of a bank is it kind of

1698
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:26,880
like you know

1699
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,880
if if um our children stay up until four

1700
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,920
o'clock in the morning

1701
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,640
and get completely drunk um and do

1702
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,960
various things the question is well did

1703
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,720
you ever tell them it's a bad thing

1704
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,880
and if the answer is no well then you

1705
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:42,319
shouldn't be upset by the fact that they

1706
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,880
get drunk

1707
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,240
and stay out until four o'clock in the

1708
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,559
morning um and that's unfortunately the

1709
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,319
situation with our banks

1710
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,680
nobody's telling them off nobody's

1711
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,000
saying this is bad um

1712
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,480
and so they do whatever they want well i

1713
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:55,599
wonder if

1714
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,440
when the institution of

1715
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:01,520
you know fractional reserve banking was

1716
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:02,880
implemented

1717
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:05,680
i wonder if the people who started it

1718
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:06,000
just

1719
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,680
created it out of happenstance or if

1720
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,599
they had a good idea who was going to be

1721
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,960
holding all the chips at the end of the

1722
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,640
game

1723
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,400
well i mean the sad conclusion i think i

1724
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:15,839
mean i don't know the specific answer

1725
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:16,799
but i think

1726
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,839
kind of like you know they

1727
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:23,040
money always stays where it is

1728
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,119
um you know it it doesn't move that much

1729
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,839
um kind of you know we seem to pretend

1730
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:31,280
that all of these people

1731
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,359
in in china and um russia are somehow

1732
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,440
new but like you know they were the

1733
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,839
power brokers of the past it's just that

1734
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:42,160
in the past that power and their money

1735
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:43,359
was run through the government

1736
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,559
accounting things and

1737
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,400
in more recent times to just kind of run

1738
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:48,240
it through their own accounting things

1739
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:52,000
um nothing truly changes i find there

1740
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:53,440
and um

1741
00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:56,720
you know whatever system you you apply

1742
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,680
um at the end of the day who begins with

1743
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,960
an awful lot of money at the end of the

1744
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,799
day will have just more money

1745
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:04,960
um and and i think that's that's you

1746
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,480
know that's the game everybody plays so

1747
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:11,200
that's unfortunately the reality and it

1748
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,400
just sucks phil that

1749
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,799
we couldn't have got people to adopt our

1750
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,240
currency so that everyone could be

1751
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,000
indebted to us

1752
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,319
i i believe the americans tried to do

1753
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,319
that and it works quite well

1754
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,880
touche um well let me bring this back to

1755
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:26,960
your specialty because we are getting

1756
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:29,839
down to it and you know you've done a

1757
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,520
lot of research on ancient aliens and

1758
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,440
the idea that we've interacted with them

1759
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,960
and that our history may be a lot

1760
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,200
stranger than we realize maybe older

1761
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:39,040
uh maybe some lost civilizations we

1762
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,559
don't know about maybe we had technology

1763
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,000
we don't know about

1764
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,920
and it is so fun to look at these things

1765
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:45,839
under a microscope case by case by case

1766
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,480
but

1767
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,240
can you broaden it out for us because it

1768
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,680
gets a little hazy for me

1769
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,599
what is the whole story what does it

1770
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:53,280
look like to you were these

1771
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,480
interactions sporadic were they there at

1772
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,599
the beginning

1773
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,200
gave us little bits of information and

1774
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,359
went away how do we bring it together

1775
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:04,400
what's the overarching story here

1776
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:08,160
phil um i think it went something like

1777
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,839
that

1778
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:12,160
um we have been and to some extent it's

1779
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:12,559
it's

1780
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:15,839
um you know my next book which is coming

1781
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,240
out

1782
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:18,319
is uh the lost civilization enigma which

1783
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,680
is coming out in october

1784
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,440
and it's like a natural sequence to the

1785
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,880
ancient daily in question and whereas

1786
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:24,079
the ancient alien question

1787
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:27,839
asks were we um you know

1788
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,559
are we were we alone answering no uh

1789
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,920
this is kind of like saying were we the

1790
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,359
first and the answer is no we've been

1791
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,960
around for far longer

1792
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,960
and we've been intelligent and civilized

1793
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,079
for far longer

1794
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,720
and i think the way it went is something

1795
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:42,799
like this at one point

1796
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:46,319
um mankind was created

1797
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,309
at that moment in time certain things

1798
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,079
began to happen

1799
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,200
and people began to realize that

1800
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,240
our brain was very interesting

1801
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:05,119
maybe somebody fell from a rock once um

1802
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:06,000
and said like

1803
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,480
i had this dream that i went somewhere

1804
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,160
and i saw this shiny being and then i

1805
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,520
was back in my body

1806
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,119
and then kind of like you know a few

1807
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:15,119
weeks later somebody probably fell from

1808
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,160
another rock

1809
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,839
um and said like you know i had that

1810
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:19,680
same dream and then at some point

1811
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:20,400
somebody was

1812
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:24,160
like maybe it's not a dream um

1813
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,240
and early men definitely explored

1814
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,799
other realities they they tried to get

1815
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:32,640
there through you know

1816
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:35,680
creating substances to to get there

1817
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,359
um they began to map the other realities

1818
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,559
and came away

1819
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:42,799
knowing that they were not alone that

1820
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,680
there were

1821
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:46,240
intelligences non-human intelligences

1822
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:47,359
out there

1823
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,799
and then as we developed um i think we

1824
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:52,480
began to ask them

1825
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,480
they lent it to us

1826
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:59,119
and some of these you know ancient alien

1827
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,400
contacts

1828
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,480
though i say in the book that definitely

1829
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,680
some of them were uh

1830
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,319
physically in nature i think also quite

1831
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:07,760
a few of them were non-physical in

1832
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:08,640
nature

1833
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,680
um and terence mckenna is is a very good

1834
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,119
example of that he basically

1835
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,920
went into went into the you know into

1836
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,880
the amazon

1837
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,880
um was given this person contacted his

1838
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,280
intelligence the intelligence said here

1839
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,480
here's the nature of time um which in

1840
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,480
itself you know was a radical

1841
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,960
um radically interesting thing even

1842
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,000
today's standards

1843
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,920
basically say that time is a byproduct

1844
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:33,680
of gravity and that it

1845
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,720
isn't really in existence and whenever

1846
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:38,240
people kind of go like well time doesn't

1847
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,960
exist it's an

1848
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:41,200
illusion it's like well maybe it's not

1849
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,720
and and the canon was given this thing

1850
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,480
that basically time is a fractal wave

1851
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,839
and was given the equation

1852
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,680
and also told that in certain points in

1853
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,200
time um

1854
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,119
basically the wave of novelty would be

1855
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:53,599
more intense i knew things would happen

1856
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:56,799
uh more often in certain pockets

1857
01:04:01,589 --> 01:04:00,000
of time than in other pockets of time um

1858
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,599
he never really understood that he did a

1859
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:03,359
bit with it but you know nor was he

1860
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,400
meant to be

1861
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,880
um and kind of the genius he was going

1862
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:08,400
to figure it all out

1863
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,520
um he did his job he gave it to the rest

1864
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:13,119
of us and said like here

1865
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,640
i've tried to do certain stuff with it

1866
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,720
now maybe you would have a better chance

1867
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,680
the difference between today and however

1868
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:21,359
the ancient egyptians

1869
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,480
is this today was a lone guy

1870
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,480
who had to publish a book who got help

1871
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:27,760
from you know

1872
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:30,799
three four people um in in doing it one

1873
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,119
guy

1874
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,599
made it into a computer program and

1875
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,960
that's about it

1876
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:36,960
if this if terence had lived in ancient

1877
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:38,319
egypt um

1878
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:40,160
if the gods would have given and you

1879
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,680
know and if if he would have come back

1880
01:04:45,190 --> 01:04:42,960
from this trip

1881
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:45,200
um i would have said to somebody in

1882
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:46,160
ancient egypt

1883
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,920
um the gods have just told me this not

1884
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:49,920
even intelligence has just told me

1885
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,599
that time is a fractal wave um and this

1886
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:54,960
is the wave

1887
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,319
it would have been a matter of state the

1888
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,920
top geniuses in the country would have

1889
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,599
been gathered and they would have tried

1890
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,359
to figure out what the heck this was all

1891
01:05:06,069 --> 01:05:04,720
about

1892
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:06,079
and that is the difference between our

1893
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,839
times and our our history

1894
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,839
in our in our history yeah that's an

1895
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,440
interesting distinct distinction

1896
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,359
for sure yeah it could still be going on

1897
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:15,280
and people just aren't given the time of

1898
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,319
day

1899
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:19,200
absolutely and you know and i think

1900
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,480
that's that's really

1901
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:22,480
um our ancestors were in contact with

1902
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:23,920
these non-human intelligences they

1903
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:24,720
treasured it

1904
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,680
uh it was something which to them was of

1905
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:29,599
a daily basis they experienced

1906
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,880
the divine um you know it wasn't like

1907
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,039
do you believe god exists it's like oh

1908
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,799
i'll give you an experience let's go to

1909
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,760
the temple

1910
01:05:41,670 --> 01:05:39,839
um and you will be given an experience

1911
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:41,680
of often of a

1912
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,440
of another reality and that was you know

1913
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:47,280
that wasn't knowing that was

1914
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,799
wisdom rather than um you know

1915
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,640
a dude in a frock standing in front of a

1916
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,079
congregation saying

1917
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,240
trust me um you know it's like well

1918
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:57,920
that's nothing to trust you haven't got

1919
01:06:03,029 --> 01:05:59,920
any direct experience of the divine

1920
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:03,039
in fact christianity is based on a

1921
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,960
complete non-revolutionary

1922
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:07,200
um you know kind of experience it's

1923
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:08,400
basically

1924
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:10,720
um adhering to the fact that the

1925
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,240
catholic church has correctly

1926
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:14,160
interpreted the words of jesus

1927
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:16,240
um and forever shall we live in those

1928
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:17,200
words

1929
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,079
um it's not that much of a direct

1930
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,839
experience and it's a stark

1931
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:24,000
contrast to anything which had happened

1932
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,039
before now i

1933
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:26,880
actually don't blame the catholic church

1934
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:29,119
um for you know being

1935
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,480
kind for what that aspect of it um

1936
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,319
because it was a sign of this sign of

1937
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:36,000
the times all the other religions pretty

1938
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:36,640
much

1939
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,839
um are are in that same format um

1940
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:41,520
and it's again something which which

1941
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:43,119
developed over time and

1942
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:46,160
in our history but the sad thing is that

1943
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,839
you know our ancestors

1944
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:52,000
early mankind realized that they were a

1945
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:53,200
part of something

1946
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:56,400
larger um and that

1947
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,440
seems to have trickled down to um you

1948
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,640
know us

1949
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,640
really putting borders in like you know

1950
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:05,119
like my community my country my

1951
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,920
state when mankind as a whole can't even

1952
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:09,599
appreciate that they are part of

1953
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,559
our world that we are all citizens of

1954
01:07:16,630 --> 01:07:13,359
this world

1955
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:16,640
well if if somebody cannot define them

1956
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,400
as a citizen of the world um by default

1957
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:22,160
they can't identify themselves as a

1958
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:24,480
citizen of the universe

1959
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,520
so by default whoever is out there

1960
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,680
basically kind of like goes like they

1961
01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,680
don't want to hear what we have to say

1962
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,680
well i mean cultures like the mayans are

1963
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,039
often depicted to us

1964
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,400
as you know savages but they seem to

1965
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,240
have more of that mindset that global

1966
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:41,680
mindset that we're part of the earth

1967
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:42,960
mindset and

1968
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,839
you know i wonder about the idea uh that

1969
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,280
people talk about that there might be

1970
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:48,880
some type of energy grit under the

1971
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:50,559
sacred ruins that have been built around

1972
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,359
the globe

1973
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,799
and then i think about people's

1974
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,400
obsession with astrology

1975
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,720
and the precise aligning of these

1976
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,160
structures with stars

1977
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,000
and also the lore that you mentioned

1978
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,160
about like travel to realms and stuff

1979
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,559
and i wonder if it all relates to an

1980
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,960
ability to somehow induce astral travel

1981
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,720
or an out-of-body experience

1982
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:11,359
with these structures on the place that

1983
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:13,039
they are on the earth

1984
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:15,119
it's a very good question isn't it well

1985
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:17,199
my uh the book after

1986
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:19,279
um the lost civilization enigma is

1987
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:20,640
actually going to

1988
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:23,359
go into an aspect of that not as as big

1989
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:24,000
as as you

1990
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,120
pointed out uh but like a subset of that

1991
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,279
um and the working title is actually

1992
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,920
called the afterlife machines of the

1993
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:34,080
it's probably going to change um oh

1994
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,279
that's cool but um

1995
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,600
it does show you that certain people at

1996
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:39,920
certain points on this globe

1997
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,279
were um kind of like had a

1998
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,679
did they showed up in a place and um

1999
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:47,359
basically were convinced that they were

2000
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,000
gonna

2001
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:51,040
get an otherworldly experience and um i

2002
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,480
think the short answer to your question

2003
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,520
is yes

2004
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:56,080
um you know everything points out to the

2005
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,120
fact that

2006
01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:00,080
certain places across the world um

2007
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,960
allowed

2008
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,440
for um access to the dimensions and that

2009
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:05,839
our ancestors knew how they could

2010
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:07,520
manipulate these places

2011
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,880
into um regulating this like that

2012
01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:12,719
you know some places where happenstance

2013
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:15,120
like the pythia

2014
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:17,040
breeded fumes but sometimes there were

2015
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,640
no fumes because they came from the

2016
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,080
earth

2017
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,920
and sometimes you didn't give off these

2018
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,239
gases

2019
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:26,400
they organized themselves it was very

2020
01:09:29,349 --> 01:09:28,239
much like you know soul factories in the

2021
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:29,359
sense that

2022
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,839
um everybody who wanted to know came to

2023
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,880
these places

2024
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,480
and would experience that they had a

2025
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,359
soul um and the factory aspect com comes

2026
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,279
in that that people came and

2027
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,759
had to walk away with this experience

2028
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,920
and so they they realized how they had

2029
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:45,759
to collect regulate everything so that

2030
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,359
everybody did go away

2031
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:49,040
with that experience rather than just

2032
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:50,400
coming saying well have you got a month

2033
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:51,520
to hang out

2034
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,640
um and

2035
01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,159
you know that that is kind of like i

2036
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,320
think some of of of the lost

2037
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,880
technology um it was a spiritual

2038
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:01,760
technology

2039
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,280
was meant to be

2040
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,400
or to make us uh spiritual by giving us

2041
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,840
experiences um but yes you know

2042
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:13,840
there's definitely evidence that certain

2043
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:16,880
places across the world um

2044
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,159
have this ability innately

2045
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:21,679
and then obviously when they were

2046
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:24,400
enhanced by our ancestors

2047
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,679
became not necessarily even more

2048
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,239
powerful as a place of initiation but

2049
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:32,080
definitely we're recognized as a power

2050
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:35,440
of initiation but i think as a whole um

2051
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,199
any place on earth you know suffices to

2052
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,199
to kind of like make us go out of our

2053
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:43,040
mind certain places are just more

2054
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,000
powerful

2055
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,080
than others and and our ancestors you

2056
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,400
know picked those places

2057
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,280
obviously where it was easier and and

2058
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:53,360
and to to some extent better for them to

2059
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,080
work at

2060
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,480
uh than other places because they could

2061
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,920
pick and choose where they wanted to go

2062
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,960
because

2063
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,440
there weren't any borders man there's

2064
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:03,280
there's so many questions you know it's

2065
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:04,000
a

2066
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:07,920
but

2067
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,280
i know you got to get out of here soon i

2068
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:11,040
have a couple of questions that people

2069
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,000
sent in from the internet

2070
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,000
if you got we can do some quick ones

2071
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:17,199
sure before you go uh fernando asked

2072
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,640
has there been any real outside

2073
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,239
influence on ancient aliens

2074
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,239
or censorship told you can't talk about

2075
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:24,000
a certain subject or they might pull the

2076
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,719
plug

2077
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:26,159
and do you think the government's out

2078
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:27,840
there someone's out there throwing out

2079
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:28,880
disinformation

2080
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,920
to muddy these waters a little bit

2081
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:34,080
um nobody has ever tried to interfere

2082
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:36,080
with anything being said on ancient

2083
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:37,600
aliens but as i said there are like

2084
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,719
completely

2085
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,800
human uh considerations to make like

2086
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:42,239
it's a tv show

2087
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:44,239
um so anything which isn't visual will

2088
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,280
not be aired

2089
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:48,320
um because there's nothing to air it's

2090
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,440
it's not visual

2091
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:52,560
um and you know i don't believe in this

2092
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:55,760
kind like pool being plugged up uh plug

2093
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:56,800
being pulled

2094
01:12:03,270 --> 01:11:59,840
um on television shows um

2095
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:03,280
you know it doesn't happen it happens in

2096
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:03,600
in

2097
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,760
actually knows about it

2098
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,520
mostly have to do with biographies of

2099
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:12,000
people um whereby somebody from the

2100
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,880
family or

2101
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,880
somebody else you know puts an

2102
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:16,320
injunction in there

2103
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:19,840
um it sometimes happens on things to do

2104
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,040
with secrets of state but you know

2105
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:25,040
nothing of the ancient alien thing has

2106
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:26,800
anything to do with that

2107
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:29,760
and the ufo waters have been so muddled

2108
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:30,239
um

2109
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:32,000
that our government actually loves the

2110
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:33,440
fact and i actually think is

2111
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:36,560
actively engaged in promoting these

2112
01:12:39,270 --> 01:12:37,520
things

2113
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:39,280
because they know that the waters are so

2114
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:40,880
muddled that you know they are

2115
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,520
safe um and they don't need to use

2116
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,960
anything of that kind

2117
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:47,040
well you know the something we talked

2118
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,960
about earlier which is the idea of

2119
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,400
making things up

2120
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,600
i mean i think that that's a built-in

2121
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,520
plus for the people who really want to

2122
01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:57,120
muddy the waters because

2123
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:59,040
the the economy itself you know rent's

2124
01:13:01,350 --> 01:13:00,400
got to get paid so if you're out there

2125
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,360
doing research

2126
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:02,640
and you don't come up with something

2127
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,480
interesting or narrative that makes

2128
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,920
sense and is easy to market

2129
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,520
you might be out on the street tomorrow

2130
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,679
so yeah you know if on the 30th of the

2131
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:11,040
month you haven't found it well i guess

2132
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,400
it's time to start writing it

2133
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,520
and science scientists do it as well um

2134
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,280
you know if if this report is not going

2135
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,040
to be published then because it's

2136
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,280
it's basically you know an archaeologist

2137
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,920
who goes into a field and finds nothing

2138
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,600
kind like realizes that might not be the

2139
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:27,120
best thing for his career and quite a

2140
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,000
few of them

2141
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,800
have gone to the sellers of museums

2142
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,800
where they know that most of watches in

2143
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,600
these sellers is unindexed anyway

2144
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,199
and they can't pretend they found it a

2145
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:38,719
few weeks before

2146
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,440
um that happens on on a daily basis uh

2147
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:42,560
you know

2148
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,960
but but yeah this idea that that somehow

2149
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,000
there are injunctions

2150
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:49,120
placed uh you know it it's

2151
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,199
it doesn't work like that well that's

2152
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:53,520
good to know and i got one more question

2153
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:56,400
from this jake fella jake says he thinks

2154
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,880
there's an

2155
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,880
obvious correlation between aliens and

2156
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,000
what the ancients thought

2157
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:02,239
were gods but do you think these beings

2158
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,280
could or did

2159
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,280
create life on earth or even manipulate

2160
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:07,520
the environment to support life

2161
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,719
and i guess you kind of talk about that

2162
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:11,360
in the book with the terraforming idea

2163
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:14,800
yes um i mean yes i believe that

2164
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,920
that that dna is is intelligent that um

2165
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:18,800
you know

2166
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,719
dna is far more interesting than we

2167
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:22,560
think it is i think that dna

2168
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,080
is universal um i don't think

2169
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,120
dna was sent by an intelligence here

2170
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:32,320
i actually think dna is the intelligence

2171
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:33,520
which sends itself

2172
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:41,189
um you know have we been

2173
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:44,640
hazard climate been been adapted i think

2174
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,679
um no i don't think

2175
01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:50,320
um an extraterrestrial force has adapted

2176
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:51,520
our climate

2177
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:54,159
uh to so to fit certain needs i think

2178
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:55,520
it's far easier to do it the other way

2179
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,000
around which

2180
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:58,159
is adapt us to our environment or let's

2181
01:15:02,950 --> 01:14:59,120
just you know

2182
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:02,960
life be um but again i think you know

2183
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,080
um the history of of

2184
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,920
extraterrestrial intervention in this

2185
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,560
earth didn't begin with homo sapiens it

2186
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:12,640
began with the arrival of dna

2187
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:15,360
and that is basically what um francis

2188
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,880
crick who was the

2189
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,800
co-discoverer of double helix structure

2190
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:20,159
of dna um

2191
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,560
set himself when nasa is recreating

2192
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,640
interstellar space what they find is

2193
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:28,320
that the building blocks of dna

2194
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:31,600
i.e life are present there it happens

2195
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,120
it has created the universe creates life

2196
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,159
itself um you know

2197
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,560
and and that is something which

2198
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:42,800
scientists are aware of scientists

2199
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:47,840
know um but because it is only a decade

2200
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:51,040
um old isn't much out there as

2201
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,560
something which people know about and

2202
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,640
something which you kind of you know

2203
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,400
we are considering as part of the daily

2204
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:57,840
debate but um

2205
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:00,960
you know i think intelligent life

2206
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:05,199
began when life came to planet earth and

2207
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:09,360
we are we are just an aspect of that we

2208
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,400
are you know

2209
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:13,199
the final thing of on two legs which is

2210
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:14,239
running around but

2211
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,400
there are things swimming in the ocean

2212
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:18,000
um and there are

2213
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:21,199
animals out there you know which have a

2214
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,920
conscious

2215
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,920
of themselves somebody was actually

2216
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:25,199
pointing out a few weeks ago he said

2217
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,679
like

2218
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,320
cats never meow against each other when

2219
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:30,239
cats meow it's always for the attention

2220
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:31,120
of the humans

2221
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,560
so he said like so how do cats

2222
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,320
communicate with each other and

2223
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:36,880
um it's it's one of those things you

2224
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,360
know we

2225
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:38,880
we think we know all of these animals

2226
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:41,199
who are who are around us

2227
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,239
but really we don't um and and clearly

2228
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:46,480
when we began to study dolphins it was

2229
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:48,239
clearly the case that we had

2230
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:51,600
hardly any idea whatsoever um as to who

2231
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:52,480
they were or what

2232
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:55,840
um was going on there but you know

2233
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:58,239
we are we're an interesting species we

2234
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:59,199
will um

2235
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,800
hopefully move along and find some of

2236
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,320
these answers

2237
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,760
well thanks a lot for being here man

2238
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:05,040
that's pretty much all i got for i know

2239
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,560
you got to get going it's been

2240
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:08,400
an awesome show i had a great time

2241
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:09,840
talking to you i mean we talked a little

2242
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:10,960
bit about

2243
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:13,040
your upcoming book and you just put out

2244
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,960
killing kennedy

2245
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:16,719
i saw on your website you got some

2246
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:18,400
upcoming tours which really looked

2247
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,520
fascinating to me

2248
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,120
uh the bosnian valley of the pyramids

2249
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:23,360
and the inca tours those are exactly

2250
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,000
what

2251
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,159
uh i talked to somebody patchinard on a

2252
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:27,760
past show about the idea that

2253
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,880
someone needs to go and and do these

2254
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:33,760
tours with the idea of the alternative

2255
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,640
history rather than conventional and i

2256
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:38,080
mean it seems i read the description

2257
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:40,000
seems exactly like what that is it seems

2258
01:17:44,149 --> 01:17:41,120
awesome

2259
01:17:45,669 --> 01:17:44,159
absolutely again kathleen and i we do

2260
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:45,679
these tours regularly

2261
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,360
um bosnia and and peru is is up

2262
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,520
um but like we also take people to

2263
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:53,840
france and we take people to scotland

2264
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:57,199
um because we really feel that there is

2265
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,520
no

2266
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,840
substitute for traveling for people

2267
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:01,679
showing them and say like you know

2268
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:04,880
um things like you know because the

2269
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:05,840
other way around

2270
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:08,159
it's so weird i mean on a completely

2271
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:09,440
different note and very quickly

2272
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,880
like you know davinci code somehow

2273
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:12,480
believed that the body of mary magdalene

2274
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:13,360
is missing

2275
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:16,480
it's not it's on display in churches in

2276
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:17,280
parts

2277
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,640
you know one church has a head the other

2278
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,640
one has bone and the church

2279
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,480
absolutely agrees with the fact that

2280
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:25,120
mary magdalene came to france after

2281
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,560
jesus's death but if you don't travel to

2282
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,080
these places

2283
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,800
you will or you're potentially convinced

2284
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,480
that dan brown might be right that she's

2285
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,159
somewhere underneath the louvre

2286
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:39,360
um in the shopping mall and

2287
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:42,080
you know it's it's we want to put people

2288
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:43,600
into contact with the re

2289
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:45,679
with the reality and say this is what

2290
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,199
you've read about about this is what

2291
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,560
you've seen on tv

2292
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:50,239
um now meet the real thing meet the real

2293
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,600
people involved

2294
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:54,800
um and it becomes real and you know it

2295
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:56,239
it's not just something which you've

2296
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,760
read about or seen about

2297
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,239
it the world needs to be lived not seen

2298
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:02,480
on tv or read about in a book

2299
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:05,120
great point so you stop just being alive

2300
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,000
and start living

2301
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,400
on philippines.com is the website phil

2302
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,920
you got anything else to let the people

2303
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:12,239
know about while i still got you

2304
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:16,880
um philip coppins p-h-i-p-c-o-w-p-e-n-s

2305
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,480
um and if you go to twitter or facebook

2306
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:22,480
and you type in my name there

2307
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:25,360
you will also come to me um so you can

2308
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:26,640
kind of like follow me

2309
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:29,360
on a more daily basis if you want and

2310
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,239
kind of like

2311
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:32,800
my the website has articles has

2312
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:33,679
informations about

2313
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,880
book has information about tours um has

2314
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,480
basically like the central point of

2315
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:40,320
contact all right

2316
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,400
well philip copens you're the man keep

2317
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,920
fighting the good fight keep doing your

2318
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:45,360
research i'll keep reading about it and

2319
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:46,400
hopefully i can get you on again

2320
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:47,360
sometime

2321
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,280
absolutely it's been my pleasure and we

2322
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:51,360
will meet again alrighty sir enjoy your

2323
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:52,080
day

2324
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,239
thank you thank you there it is people

2325
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,840
there you have it be sure to check out

2326
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:59,600
the work of philip copens on his website

2327
01:20:02,550 --> 01:20:01,040
and get connected with me in the higher

2328
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:02,560
side chats on facebook twitter and

2329
01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:03,440
youtube

2330
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:05,360
and stop by conspiracies.net for all

2331
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:06,880
your conspiracy clothing needs the

2332
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,120
coupon code higher side get your 15

2333
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:11,679
off here's a band called the believers

2334
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,679
will be suspicious with the song the

2335
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:15,440
light appropriately about a weird light

2336
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,159
in the sky

2337
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:18,400
check them out if you like it boom i'm

2338
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:32,960
outta here

2339
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:36,880
late one night i saw the light

2340
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:45,430
something strange and i cannot

2341
01:20:49,920 --> 01:21:25,350
but i know i'm never gone

2342
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:29,510
i'm at the bar drinking thinking

2343
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:37,430
if i can't get my pay

2344
01:21:51,840 --> 01:22:08,790
late one night i saw the light

2345
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:36,830
but i know i'm never

2346
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:50,830
um

2347
01:22:50,840 --> 01:23:04,830
oh

2348
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:10,390
uh

2349
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:13,669
twenty dollar room some

2350
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:16,719
cheap red white and i'd be

2351
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:20,400
fine smells like

2352
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:32,629
i don't need shiny things to make me

2353
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:36,719
feel like i'm okay

2354
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:49,590
late one night i saw the light

2355
01:23:54,320 --> 01:24:00,830
something strange and i cannot

2356
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:02,550
explain

2357
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:06,719
but i know i'm never gonna be

2358
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:15,590
late one night i saw the light

2359
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:24,470
something strange i cannot